Chapter 13 - KILL POTS

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To kill a pot means to post an Also called oversize blind. A blind used in some pots that is bigger than the regular big blind, and usually increases the stakes proportionally. overblind that increases the betting limit. A full kill is double the amount of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind, and doubles the betting limits. A half kill is one-and-a-half times the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind, and increases the betting limits by that amount. A kill may be optional in a game, and is often used at A draw game where the lowest hand wins. lowball when a player wants to be dealt in right away instead of waiting to take the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind. A kill may be required in a game for any time a specified event takes place. In high-low split games using a required kill, a player who scoops a pot bigger than a set size must kill the next pot. In other games using a required kill, a player who wins two consecutive pots must kill the next pot. In this type of kill game, a marker called a 'A button used in a lowball game to indicate a player who has won two pots in a row and is required to kill the pot. kill button' indicates which player has won the pot, and the winner keeps this marker until the next hand is completed. If the player who has the A button used in a lowball game to indicate a player who has won two pots in a row and is required to kill the pot. kill button wins a second consecutive pot and it qualifies monetarily, that player must kill the next pot.


RULES OF KILL POTS

1. The A button used in a lowball game to indicate a player who has won two pots in a row and is required to kill the pot. kill button is neutral (belonging to no player) if:

(a) It is the first hand of a new game.

(b) The winner of the previous pot has quit the game.

(c) The previous pot was split and neither player had the A button used in a lowball game to indicate a player who has won two pots in a row and is required to kill the pot. kill button.

2. In a A pot with a forced kill by the winner of the two previous pots, or the winner of an entire pot of sufficient size in a high-low split game. (Some pots can be voluntarily killed.) kill pot, the killer acts in proper turn (after the person on the immediate right).

3. There is no pot-size requirement for the first pot or "leg" of a kill. For the second "leg" to qualify for a kill, you must win at least one full The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet for whatever limit you are playing, and it cannot be any part of the A required bet made before any cards are dealt. blind structure.

4. If a player with one "Being in a situation equivalent to having won the previous pot, and thus liable to have to kill the following pot if you win the current pot. leg up" splits the next pot, that player still has a "Being in a situation equivalent to having won the previous pot, and thus liable to have to kill the following pot if you win the current pot. leg up" for the next hand. If the player who split the pot was the kill in the previous hand, then that player must also kill the next pot.

5. A person who leaves the table with a 'Being in a situation equivalent to having won the previous pot, and thus liable to have to kill the following pot if you win the current pot. leg up' toward a kill still has a 'Being in a situation equivalent to having won the previous pot, and thus liable to have to kill the following pot if you win the current pot. leg up' upon returning to the game.

6. A player who is required to post a kill must do so that same hand even if wishing to quit or be dealt out. A player who fails to post a required An oversize blind, usually twice the size of the big blind and doubling the limit. Sometimes a half-kill increasing the blind and limits by fifty percent is used. A kill can be either voluntary or mandatory. The most common requirements of a mandatory kill are for winning two pots in a row at lowball and other games, or for scooping a pot in high-low split. kill blind will not be allowed to participate in any game until the kill money is posted.

7. Kill blinds are considered part of the pot. If a player with a required kill wins again, then that player must kill it again (for the same amount as the previous hand).

8. When a player wins both the high and the low pot ('scoops&amp') in a split-pot game with a kill provision, the next hand will be killed only if the pot is at least five times the size of the upper limit of the game.

9. If you are unaware that the pot has been killed and put in a lesser amount, if it is a required A pot with a forced kill by the winner of the two previous pots, or the winner of an entire pot of sufficient size in a high-low split game. (Some pots can be voluntarily killed.) kill pot with the A button used in a lowball game to indicate a player who has won two pots in a row and is required to kill the pot. kill button faceup, you must put in the correct amount. If not, you may withdraw the chips and reconsider your A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action.

10. In A draw game where the lowest hand wins. lowball, an optional rule is allowing players to look at their first two cards and then opt whether to kill the pot. The pot may no longer be killed if any player in the game has received a third card. In order to kill the pot voluntarily, you must have at least four times the amount of the An oversize blind, usually twice the size of the big blind and doubling the limit. Sometimes a half-kill increasing the blind and limits by fifty percent is used. A kill can be either voluntary or mandatory. The most common requirements of a mandatory kill are for winning two pots in a row at lowball and other games, or for scooping a pot in high-low split. kill blind in your stack. For example: If the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind is two chips, and the An oversize blind, usually twice the size of the big blind and doubling the limit. Sometimes a half-kill increasing the blind and limits by fifty percent is used. A kill can be either voluntary or mandatory. The most common requirements of a mandatory kill are for winning two pots in a row at lowball and other games, or for scooping a pot in high-low split. kill blind is four chips, the voluntary killer must have at least 16 chips prior to posting the kill. If this rule is used, it is in conjunction with having the killer act last on the first betting round rather than in proper order.

11. Only one kill is allowed per deal.

12. A new player is not entitled to play in a killed pot, but may do so by agreeing to kill the next pot.

13. A game no longer in action. Broken game status is allowed only for players of the same limit and game type. For this purpose, a game with a required kill is considered a different type of game than an otherwise similar game without a required kill.

A A betting structure where players are allowed to wager any or all of their chips in one bet. no-limit or The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit betting structure for a game gives it a different character from limit poker, requiring a separate set of rules in many situations. All the rules for limit games apply to A betting structure where players are allowed to wager any or all of their chips in one bet. no-limit and The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit games, except as noted in this section. No-limit means that the amount of a wager is limited only by the table stakes rule, so any part or all of a player's chips may be wagered. The rules of A betting structure where players are allowed to wager any or all of their chips in one bet. no-limit play also apply to The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit play, except that a The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet may not exceed the pot size. The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made. Therefore, if a pot is $100, and someone makes a $50 bet, the next player can call $50 and raise the pot $200, for a total wager of $250. For those rules that apply only to A betting structure where players are allowed to wager any or all of their chips in one bet. no-limit and The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit A draw game where the lowest hand wins. lowball.


NO-LIMIT RULES

1. The number of raises in any betting round is unlimited.

2. All bets must be at least equal to the minimum bring-in, unless the player is going When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in. (A straddle bet sets a new minimum bring-in, and is not treated as a raise.)

3. All raises must be equal to or greater than the size of the previous The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet or To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise on that betting round, except for an When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in wager. A player who has already checked or called may not subsequently To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise an When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet that is less than the full size of the last The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet or To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise. (The half-the-size rule for reopening the betting is for limit poker only.)
4. 'Completing the The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet' is a limit poker wager type only, not allowed at big-bet poker. For example, if a player bets $100 and the next player goes When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in for $140, a player wishing to To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise must make the total bet at least $240 (unless going all-in).

5. Multiple When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise.

Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn't fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)

6. At non-tournament play, a player who says "To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise" is allowed to continue putting chips into the pot with more than one move; the wager is assumed complete when the player's hands come to rest outside the pot area. (This rule is used because no-limit play may require a large number of chips be put into the pot.) In tournament play, the TDA rules require that the player either use a verbal statement giving the amount of the raise or put the chips into the pot in a single motion, to avoid making a string-bet.

7. A wager is not binding until the chips are actually released into the pot, unless the player has made a verbal statement of A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action.

8. If there is a discrepancy between a player's verbal statement and the amount put into the pot, the The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet will be corrected to the verbal statement.

9. If a call is short due to a counting error, the amount must be corrected, even if the bettor has shown down a superior hand.

10. Because the amount of a wager at big-bet poker has such a wide range, a player who has taken A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action based on a gross misunderstanding of the amount wagered needs some protection. A bettor should not show down a hand until the amount put into the pot for a call seems reasonably correct, or it is obvious that the caller understands the amount wagered. The decision-maker is allowed considerable discretion in ruling on this type of situation. A possible rule-of-thumb is to disallow any claim of not understanding the amount wagered if the caller has put eighty percent or more of that amount into the pot.

Example: On the end, a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, “Four hundred.” The opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, 'Call'. The bettor immediately shows the hand. The dealer says, 'He The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet four hundred'. The caller says, 'Oh, I thought he The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet a hundred'. In this case, the recommended ruling normally is that the bettor had an obligation to not show the hand when the amount put into the pot was obviously short, and the 'call&amp' can be retracted. Note that the character of each player can be a factor. (Unfortunately, situations can arise at big-bet poker that are not so clear-cut as this.)

11. A The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind .)

12. If a player tries to The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet or To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise less than the legal minimum and has more chips, the wager must be increased to the proper size. (This does not apply to a player who has unintentionally put too much in to call.) The wager is brought up to the sufficient amount only, no greater size.

13. All wagers may be required to be in the same denomination of chip (or larger) used for the minimum bring-in, even if smaller chips are used in the A required bet made before any cards are dealt. blind structure. If this is done, the smaller chips do not play except in quantity, even when going When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in.

14. In non-tournament games, one optional live straddle is allowed. The player who posts the straddle has last A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action for the first round of betting and is allowed to To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise . To straddle, a player must be on the immediate left of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind , and must post an amount twice the size of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind .

15. In all A betting structure where players are allowed to wager any or all of their chips in one bet. no-limit and The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit games, the house has the right to place a maximum time limit for taking A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action on your hand. The clock may be put on someone by the dealer as directed by a A casino employee who seats players and makes decisions. floorperson, if a player requests it. If the clock is put on you when you are facing a The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet , you will have one additional minute to act on your hand. You will have a ten-second warning, after which your hand is dead if you have not acted.
16. Since all a player's chips may be put at risk on a hand, the house has the right to set a maximum amount for the buy-in to help control the effective size of a game.

17. The cardroom does not condone "A side agreement when someone is all-in for a player in a pot to put up money that guarantees a payoff of a set amount in case the opponent wins the pot. insurance" or any other “proposition” wagers. The management will decline to make decisions in such matters, and the pot will be awarded to the best hand. Players are asked to refrain from instigating proposition wagers in any form. The players are allowed to agree to When there is no more betting, agreeing to have the rest of the cards to come determine only half the pot, removing those cards, and dealing again for the other half of the pot. deal twice (or three times) when someone is When you have put all of your playable money and chips into the pot during the course of a hand, you are said to be all-in. all-in. 'Dealing twice' means the pot is divided in two, with each portion being dealt for separately.


POT-LIMIT RULES

1. If a wager is made that exceeds the pot size, the surplus will be given back to the bettor as soon as possible, and the amount will be reduced to the maximum allowable.

2. The dealer or any player in the game can and should call attention to a wager that appears to exceed the pot size (this also applies to heads-up pots). The oversize wager may be corrected at any point until all players have acted on it.

3. If an oversize wager has stood for a length of time with someone considering what A fold, check, call, bet, or raise. For certain situations, doing something formally connected with the game that conveys information about your hand may also be considered as having taken action. Examples would be showing your cards at the end of the hand, or indicating the number of cards you are taking at draw. action to take, that person has had to act on a wager that was thought to be a certain size. If the player then decides to call or To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise, and attention is called at this late point to whether this is an allowable amount, the A casino employee who seats players and makes decisions. floorperson may rule that the oversize amount must stand (especially if the person now trying to reduce the amount is the person that made the wager).

4. In The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit play, it is advisable in many structures to round off the pot size upward to produce a faster pace of play. This is done by treating any odd amount as the next larger size. For example, if the pot size was being kept track of with $25 units, then a pot size of $80 would be treated as a pot size of $100.

5. In The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit hold’em and The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit Omaha, many structures treat the little blind as if it were the same size of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind in computing pot size. In such a structure, a player can open for a maximum of four times the size of the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind . For example, if the blinds are $5 and $10, a player may open with a To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise to $40. (The range of options is to either open with a call of $10, or To increase the amount of a previous wager. This increase must meet certain specifications, depending on the game, to reopen the betting and count toward a limit on the number of raises allowed. raise in increments of five dollars to any amount from $20 to $40.) Subsequent players also treat the $5 as if it were $10 in computing the pot size, until the The largest regular blind in a game. big blind is through acting on the first betting round.

6. In The betting structure of a game in which you are allowed to bet up to the amount of the pot. pot-limit, if a chip or a bill larger than the pot size is put into the pot without comment, it is considered to be a The act of placing a wager in turn into the pot on any betting round, or the chips put into the pot. bet of the pot size.